mountain lions in new hampshire

So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. Caller: Yeah. The book MAMMAL TRACKS & SIGN by Mark Elbroch has pictures of mountain lion scat found at a multiple beaver kill. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. We're not in the woods. So so do what you can get to do what you can to get proof. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. There was no sign of it. You don't know what's going on. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. And those and that's how you can go from a story that Pat says I have nothing to say about that to a story that you know could be the first verified sighting in over 100 years. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. So when we talk about the threshold of evidence required to say for sure you have seen a mountain lion it is rather high. New Hampshire Public Radio | Phone number 1 800. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. Let's talk to Mike in Webster. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. Just. Patrick Tate: So Cougar Mountain Lion katama. Can you look into this picture. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. Sam Evans-Brown: I just want to say the bang and word you just heard I think to me exemplifies why it's really hard to come up with with positive you know 100 percent certain evidence that you've that what you've got is a mountain lions. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. This is a machine-generated transcript, and may contain errors. Rick your thoughts. The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or [email protected] to request an observation report form. So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. And you know all that. The current estimate is 2,000 - 2,700 throughout Arizona. Thank you very much for being here. Mike thanks for your call. Yes and you want to share what you learned. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. There were several sightings in CT over the last few months. I have one that's more elaborate than that. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. Okay. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. Sort of dropped onto the SD card of a camera he'd set up out in the wild. That's pretty elaborate. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. It's good to talk to you. As wildlife biologists, wed be fascinated to say 'look look what was found in our state.'. Over a period of a year and a half, this Mountain Lion left DNA evidence in at least four states. OK. Okay. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. And they were using all the habitat. But Absence of Evidence Is Not Evidence of Absence, Right? Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. Patrick Tate: Yes. For all the men out there that don't realize it. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. Rick van de Poll: 80 90. If it's just in the middle of a greenfield you can't prove anything. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. But you can continue the conversation on Facebook or at our Web site and HP Borg. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. John thanks. Its distinctive featurethe one that sets it apart from other North American wild catsis its tail, which is thick and often as long as its body. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. You know perhaps poke around where you saw it and see if you can find a track. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. John. So take care of this problem. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. Mike you're on the air. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. It all used to be based on measurable physical traits color, skull size, paw size, etc but now its based on whether an animal can be shown to be genetically distinct from others. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. Have you seen one. Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. Thank you very much for listening. Ive received pictures of dogs at odd angles, says Tate. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. Absolutely. They create these scrapes where theyre communicating with each other with scent. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. If youd like to submit a question (or send a mountain line photo) you can record it as a voice memo on your smart phone and send it [email protected], OR call our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (1-844-466-8837) and leave a message. It's you know I recognized their report and. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. Peter Biello: Nice to be here. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. About Lions. Really appreciate it. Enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, and then try again. They get a lot of media attention but compared to the the amount of times that a mountain lion could attack a person but doesn't because they don't typically view us as prey. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. You need a permit to have that. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. They sent he sent his scent those two samples with his to Wyoming an unfortunate Fish and Game Commission there did not get a positive read on it but send it back to Central Michigan University where they did a nuclear micro satellite DNA analysis and found no significant difference between that scat and other scats that were tested from the Rocky Mountain region. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. Contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or [email protected] to request an observation report form. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. The panther, Fells concolor, is a beast of many names, most frequently referred to in New Hampshire history as catamount, but sometimes known locally as "Indian Devil" or "Carcajou", under which . DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. I'm gonna send you a letter that we researched this report and we spoke with those labs and the lab wrote in their letter to us that they could only say that Scott contained white Tea Party fur and that they could not say what deposited the scout because it's far too degraded listeners we'd love to hear from you about your mountain lion sightings if you have seen one or if you if you think you have give us a call we'd love to hear your story 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. So and so they so they do get pretty involved. So you want identifiable backgrounds. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. Deer Bear Moose Grey Wolf Coyote Foxes Fisher Mountain Lion NH Wildlife History. I found a second scat scent both to him. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. Absolutely there are a lot of folks out there who for some reason need to create something that raises a stir and gets the attention of the media etc.. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. Is that typically what was happening there. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. Let us know your story and share your photos! You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. Have a photo. Thanks for a great thanks. We're going to talk a little bit more about habitat first but then we'll get into sightings. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. Right. I just want to tell you a story that I read. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. Administrative Links. Now that to me seemed to indicate that they had done the secondary workup that in my opinion proved the existence of probably a disperse or possibly from South Dakota like the one in 2011. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. I think that you probably are. Post your sightings and NH photos here! So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. No that's a little bit outside the range. Pat ruse and he was sampling doing DNA samples from cats in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. It's listed as population of least concern. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. Which goes back to the Connecticut Connecticut cat and what not. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. Lions Clubs Int'l Links: LionNet NH Links 2011 -2012 . They absolutely do. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. Peter Biello: And that will make identification for a layperson rather difficult. What do you think that. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. No I saw a camel. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. Copyright New Hampshire Fish and Game Department.An official New Hampshire government website. Mountain lions ( Puma concolor) are one of the six native species of wild cats in North America. Tim Yeah. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. And it was unmistakable. Patrick Tate: Well. The brother and sister big cats have lived . Sam Evans Brown. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting By Elysia Rodriguez Published August 11, 2015 A southern New Hampshire neighborhood believes a mountain lion is roaming the woods near their homes. Do you want to see real, living mountain lions that do exist in New Hampshire. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. So hey, just me shooting from the hip, maybe there are a couple mountain lions skulking about. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. Id like to hazard the explanation that we really, really want to see a mountain lion. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. nh.gov | privacy policy | accessibility policy Pelosi story here we go. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. I think as Pat was saying you know 35 to 50 pounds on a male be reasonable range whereas mountain lions you're up to 100 110 maybe even 130 pounds on a big male. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all along the waykilled a beaver near the Quabbin Reservoir in Central Massachusetts, left behind prints and DNA at that site, and then was hit by a car in Connecticut. Reports without physical evidence are not dismissed, however Fish and Game cannot verify a sighting report without physical evidence. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. Mountain lions can be found throughout Arizona, and data suggests the populations are not only stable, but growing. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. We want answers. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. Which brings us to the next question, what are the odds that some of these reported sightings (which, when I posted about this on twitter, I immediately started to get as well) are actually people seeing a mountain lion? However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it.

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